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Carving Out Time: On Art, Guilt and Growth

Dianne Minnicucci x Jolie Hockings

POSTED: 14 April 2025

Artist teacher Dianne Minnicucci explores the value of foregrounding exchange and experimentation in schools and creative education

Dianne Minnicucci is a London-based visual artist and the Head of Photography at Thomas Tallis School in South East London. Through her creative practice she explores intimate familial moments and the boundaries of documentary storytelling. In 2024, Minnicucci became the inaugural resident artist for Autograph’s Visible Practice Residency. Over the course of six months, we supported Minnicucci to bring her creative practice into the classroom and create new work within and beyond the school environment.

In this conversation, the artist speaks with Engagement Curator Jolie Hockings on the occasion of her exhibition, Belonging and Beyond at Autograph, in London. They discuss the highs and lows of combining teaching with a creative practice, and the profound opportunities available to artists and students when creative exchange and experimentation is foregrounded in arts education.

The Visible Practice Residency is delivered in partnership with The Photographers’ Gallery, with support from Freelands Foundation.

JH: What do you think are the biggest hurdles that teachers face, which prevent them from pursuing their own creative projects alongside their teaching practice?

DM:
For me the biggest obstacle is definitely time. We always say in teaching that we are time-poor. If there is time we are marking or planning. I have the feeling that I always need to be ‘teaching’ when I'm in the classroom and that there’s no time for my personal practice within that. There are moments when the students are really busy and confident in what they are doing, when I could leave them to get on with it and think about making my own artwork alongside them. But that’s when another obstacle presents itself: guilt. I would never allow myself to make work alongside them because of this received idea that when I'm in the classroom all my time and attention should be on the students, even when they don’t need it.

And it’s not just me who experiences this guilt, I think its common with other teachers too, and particularly with women. I remember joining an online workshop as part of the ARTISTEACHER network led by Freelands Foundation; one woman was sharing a beautiful book of her artwork and we were all saying, ‘this is great but when did you have time to do this?’ And she apologetically explained that she works on it during after-school intervention sessions and was quick to point out that she’d never work on it in class time. And that got the group thinking: well, why not? Why can't you do it in the classroom when the students are focused on a sustained piece of work? Why can’t we get our sketchbooks out and start doing what they're doing or make exemplars? Why can't we allow ourselves to do the work that they’re doing?

The teachers that I've spoken to since starting this residency always ask me where I find the time and so I explain that I'm doing it with my students in the classroom.


Dianne Minnicucci, from the series Belonging and Beyond

Dianne Minnicucci, from the series Belonging and Beyond

JH: That takes us to this idea of empathy with your students, which we've spoken about a lot of over the course of the residency. What has been the result of placing yourself on the same level as your students and challenging yourself to make the same work as them?

DM:
The residency has changed my teaching practice a lot. Now, everything that I ask the students to do is something I’ve already done. Sharing my practice and process with them means they can see how an artwork actually takes form. So I’m working alongside them on the project – I’m doing the project as well. It means that they see me as a creative person, not just as a teacher.

It’s also helped me take a bit of a step back; I’m no longer spoon-feeding them or constantly telling my students ‘maybe you can do this’ or ‘maybe you can do that’, which means they ask a lot more questions. Now I say: I'm going to give you all the tools and I'm going to show you how to do it, but you also have to work things out for yourself and they have loved the freedom and independence this gives them. Having to problem solve has developed their creative confidence and now they’re starting to experiment and initiate more things for themselves.

When I think back to when I started out, no one really taught me how to use a camera – I mostly taught myself and I've made lots of mistakes along the way. When I first started working with a medium format camera I was getting everything wrong with the shutter speed and aperture but I kept all that work and I was able to share it with my students and say look, I got it wrong as well, but this is how you learn and progress.


Emil, Untitled, 2024

Albert, Untitled, 2024

JH: So what impact do you think this has had on your students? What’s been the response to this new approach?

DM:
I think it was a bit nerve-wracking for the students to begin with, but encouraging them to experiment, to make mistakes and work things out along the way has been a really special learning curve and they've responded brilliantly. They are really proud of the work I make and the fact that I’m an artist as well. I work with another photography teacher at Thomas Tallis, Jon Nicholls, and both he and I have exhibitions coming up and I think this knowledge gives the students confidence. They can trust in our advice because they know it's coming from a place where we have experience. And that mirrors my experience when I was at art school; I gravitated more towards the teachers that were working outside of the school because I trusted them.

One student ran home – I mean it, she ran home – dropped her bag and immediately started taking images, she was that inspired

JH: As part of the residency, we’ve been inviting more practitioners into the school. For example, photographer Adrian Wood led lighting workshops with your sixth form students, your Year 13s visited artist Dafna Talmor’s studio and visual activist Zanele Muholi came to visit. How did the students respond to those experiences? And what's the importance of connecting students and also yourself with other artists?

DM:
We’ve had many artists visit the school before, but the lighting workshops and the visit to an artist’s studio were new. Both my students and I picked up a lot from Adrian's workshop. Following the session, the students came back in their free time to experiment with the medium format cameras and lights. This inquisitiveness is exactly what I wanted to encourage.

Having a major artist like Zanele Muholi visit us was also really amazing. The students were chuffed to bits – they learnt so much from the experience and from the opportunity to hear Muholi discuss their work. They were obviously in awe because Muholi is well known, but I think they really connected to Muholi as a creative person too. Especially one student who ran home – I mean it, she ran home – dropped her bag and immediately started taking images, she was that inspired.

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Zanele Muholi visiting Thomas Tallis School

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Zanele Muholi visiting Thomas Tallis School

JH: What do you think has been the most significant or memorable moment of this academic year?

DM:
Gosh there's been so many I’m not sure I can really pick one. I think it's just the way that I've changed. I feel so much happier about my practice as both a teacher and an artist. I'm now so happy to come to work and I think that’s because it no longer seems like just teaching. It seems like I'm creating and I'm teaching at the same time.

I think that I've become much more open about my work and ambitions: I already want to start another project and I'm just about to start collaborating with someone else. These are things that I've wanted to do for ages and it’s helped kick start all of it. I'm happy to call myself an artist teacher now which is not something I would have done before because I didn’t really feel I was an artist, but that's only because I didn't make enough of my own work. Autograph’s Senior Curator, Bindi Vora, said something to me that will always stick with me: carve out time for yourself. It's advice that I'd give to any teacher.

Before the residency I felt like two people, but as I’ve brought my own practice into my work, I’ve opened up. I’m one person now, a creative person

JH: That’s so wonderful to hear. I also think it’s valuable to talk about the more challenging moments, too. Could you share a bit about any parts of the residency that really pushed you?

DM:
Yeah, there are moments that have been a struggle. Before the residency, my artistic practice was something I did occasionally in my own time. It was separate from my work in school and I felt like two different people. As a teacher, I felt I had to be strict and bossy even though that didn’t feel authentic. But as I’ve brought my own practice into my work, I’ve opened up with colleagues and students and even outside of school, with family and friends. I’m one person now, a creative person. This shift didn’t feel easy at times but the more I shared, the more comfortable I got with myself.

Before the residency, I was sharing my work digitally and very quietly with one person at a time and the feedback that I was getting was quite positive. I’d been doing this for years, making work and just keeping it to myself. But sharing work with The Photographers’ Gallery at Folio Friday helped me realise that I needed to print out my work and physically look at it. So I did that and in so doing, I realised that this process doesn't have to be private. The moment that I began to share my work – and share more of myself – is when I started to feel more confident and I think the students could see the change in me.

My relationship with my Year 13 class in particular has changed a lot. I have begun to work with them much more and approach our relationship as one of collaboration. After years of guiding them and their work, they’ve begun to respond to and guide my work. I remember a sort of peacock moment, where a couple of students were responding to some work in progress I’d shared – it was raw and real imagery and I could just feel myself opening up and showing some vulnerability. It felt completely liberating.


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Rachel's work inspired by Muholi, 2024

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Rachel's work inspired by Muholi, 2024

JH: Vulnerability is something that has come up a lot throughout the residency. There's something profound about being vulnerable and this humanising aspect of sharing work in progress. Your willingness to take that leap and trust the people around you to hold that space is something that I’ve been so inspired by. Does that uncomfortable space now feel a bit more comfortable?

DM:
Absolutely, I would feel much more confident about doing something like this again - in fact I’m about to start a new collaborative project so I will be doing it again! When Muholi was talking about their practice, I found it very inspiring to hear them describe how they made their self-portraits, despite feeling moments of vulnerability. They are a political activist and they were explaining that the work they make is not just for them, but for others like them. And I recognise the importance of representation – when I was of school age I remember wanting to learn more about artists from marginalised backgrounds. And now I’m a teacher, I want my students – and particularly the black girls in my classes – to see me as someone that's producing work.

JH: We’ve discussed this residency as almost providing an intervention in your practice as both artist and teacher. Is this process something you think would be of value for others in your professions?

DM:
When I compare how I worked with students before the residency to now, I realise we should be teaching like this all the time. We should have time off to create bodies of work and share that process with our students. One thing that is abundantly clear to me now is the huge benefit to students of having a teacher working alongside them and creating work with them at Key Stages 4 and 5. My current classroom experience is exactly what teaching a creative subject should feel and be like.

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Dianne Minnicucci:
Belonging and Beyond

17 Apr - 13 Sep 2025
How vulnerability and discomfort in front of the camera can become acts of self-discovery and collaboration

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Banner image: Dianne Minnicucci, from the series Belonging and Beyond [detail], 2025. © and courtesy the artist.

Images on page: 1-2) Dianne Minnicucci, from the series Belonging and Beyond, 2025. © and courtesy the artist. 3-4) Work produced by students at Thomas Tallis School, 2024. © and courtesy the artists. 5-6) Zanele Muholi visiting Thomas Tallis School, October 2024. Images © and courtesy Sajan Selvamaniy. 7-8) Work produced by Rachel, a student at Thomas Tallis School, 2024. © and courtesy the artist.